Marrickville On Steroids.

Sold A Pup

The Greens have landed themselves slam dunk right back in the middle of their worst Marrickville moment nightmare and have added a dimension that makes the whole show look like a horror movie.

Marrickville was only a local inner city council with tickets on itself. It was tougher to explain how BDS was antisemitic and the air over Sydney University still hangs thick with the denials in the face of all the evidence.

This time it is federal and involves the party leader who has been in the job since morning tea (hereafter referred to as “New Guy”) .  And it will be so easy to show that the Greens have a racism problem there has to be a fair chance that even people like Bob Carr will twig.

The full disaster is recorded at New Matilda as it unfolded but it seems they and the Greens have yet to notice the rank corner where they have wound up and so fast.

Someone should turn on the light.

The background is simple.  An AJN – Australian Jewish News, reporter gives a friendly interview to New Guy who too is real nice.  Sweet as pie.  It has the look of part of an attempt to patch up with the Greens. (How cute)

In the course of the interview the reporter asks New Guy whether the two state solution must include the Jewish state.  New Guy emphatically agrees almost falling over under the load of sugar and spice.

Before you know it, the AJN story got around, the Greens party members are revolting and a few days later New Guy is backtracking like the Iraqi army.

He issues a “clarification” that includes this extraordinary sentence.

I have never believed that the establishment of a ‘Jewish state’ (as opposed to an ‘Israeli state’) is conducive to this outcome and I absolutely do not support that goal

Say what?

This is a “two state solution” ?

This from a comment I left on the thread.  They deserve fair warning for a clanger this jarring.  The Greens make these mistakes because they talk only to one side, or rather listen to only one side, they are so narrowly focused, and of course those formulating policy have no idea at all even about the basic landscape.

It is astonishing that this is controversial, but it is, and I welcome it because it might help the Greens to focus on and say honestly exactly what they stand for; and get the rest of us focusing on the Greens as a consequence.

The background as I understand it was an attempt at a reset of the relationship between the Jewish community and the Greens, whose brand had begun to stink like a dead rat in the roof..  It was probably initiated by Jewish Greens anxious to restore Jewish support  which I guess would have been disproportionately high and may be still, but confused and conflicted.

The construct “Jewish state”or “national home of the Jewish people” is not controversial among Jews.  The word “Israel” means the Jewish people.  There was some noise about legislation changes but that is a different matter. These are opposed by centre , moderate and left factions as being unnecessary, divisive and inflammatory for Israeli Arabs but all of this is something on a different plane.  It is a matter for the Israelis.
It has no connection to the central principle that Israel is the Jewish state, the national home of the Jewish people with all sovereign rights and privileges that are asserted and due to every other sovereign state.

Non-negotiable

It will come as a surprise to the rest of the world that Israel was not the Jewish state especially that part that would dearly like to see it obliterated for exactly that reason.

When did that happen?

New Greens leader Richard Di Natale. credit: New Matilda

New Guy will be well advised to have his answer ready next time because he is sure to be asked.

You can rule out that New Guy was tricked by AJN into something.  Every question was in good faith and the reporter would have honestly believed that New Guy agreed with the obvious proposition that if a “two state solution ” means anything at all, it means that there are two states, one of which is the existing Jewish state recognized by the civilized world for what it is for decades.  The Jewish state and national homeland of the Jews.

Abbas refuses to explicitly recognize a Jewish state because he knows that if he did he would have seen his last sunrise.

For most Palestinians and many Muslims, the idea of Jewish sovereignty over any part of Israel is repulsive and unthinkable. Hamas, IJ, the Salafists etc still demand that she be destroyed. Recognition in any true sense is worse than anathema. It is blasphemous in a culture where blasphemy has severe consequences.

In the background is the so called Arab “right of return” to all of Israel, which is so loopy it is creepy.

But Abbas can’t revoke that either because it is core to the ideology of Palestinianism
So he tries on this formula where he will recognize Israel as some kind of concept distinct from the Jewish state, although that is what “Israel” literally means. It’s a dodge. Everything Abbas does is a dodge.

Where possibly can it lead? A peace deal?

Then along come the Australians Greens to fix it all.

Thing is, not recognizing Israel as the Jewish state is antisemitism and this is increasingly being understood and declared by everyone from Obama to the Pope.

So in desperately seeking not to be seen to be aligned with Netanyahu, New Guy has now enunciated a policy that yanks the party out of alignment with moderate Jews and supporters of Israel who sincerely stretch for a two state solution, and pretty much the rest of the civilized world; and brings it into line with those who declare that Jews were never entitled to their own state in the first place because they are Jews and as they are still Jews should have it taken from them all these years later as they have been saying all along and have been doing their absolute best to bring about with all their might.

Which of course is antisemitism.

At this rate New Guy will be “clarifying” Greens policy on Israel and the Palestinians from here until the next election.

Which is a good thing.

After all what the hell do the Greens stand for?

Do the Greens now have an openly racist policy on their books?

And if it is not racist, how is it not, especially since the rest of the civilized world is in the process of declaring that antizionism is antisemitism?

Good one, Greens.

Glad I’m not member. Especially a Jewish member. If you want to hang out with racists you could do better by joining the Ku Klux Klan

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If it wasn’t so nasty it would be comical. They seem to actually believe that those domestic political machinations by Netanyahu a while back were the real McCoy on whether Israel is the Jewish state which of course it has been for longer than most of them have been alive.

The Israelis are about to legislate for a Jewish state, they thought

Could they really be this bad?

New Guy could be Ollie to Rhiannon’s Stan

“This is another fine mess you’ve got me into, Laurel.”

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10 comments

  1. Geoff, I was really thrilled to read Di Natale’s comments in the Jewish News, seeing this as a new start for the Greens. So it was extra disappointing to discover that he either didn’t mean it, or was pressured by his fellow greens to recant. Whichever it was, it means it’s impossible for thinking Jews to support such an anti-Semitic party.

    Sad really, as Judaism always placed an emphasis on looking after the environment, and Israel is an outstanding example of this, being leaders in water conservation and other measures to protect our precious resources. If the Greens were truly environmentalists, it would be the natural home for many Jews. Instead, they truly are watermelons, green on the outside, and red on the inside.

    Strange how there is so much horror at the thought of a Jewish state, when there are so many Islamic states out there. Do the Greens object to Saudi Arabia or the many other countries being Islamic states? I don’t think so.

    • I’ve got to say I was sceptical Pam. Perhaps he had muzzled the mad wing of the party but that had to be unlikely given how many there are and how powerful.. Now we know the whole party it seems

      Maybe he thought it would be a confined readership and wouldn’t get back. So he can give one message to AJN and another to well … Dunno

      I agree with your comment and made the easy guess that a party with this brand would be attractive to many Jews.

      Not so strange I think we all know. That’s what antisemitism looks like.

    • Otto Waldmann

      Le’t just consider that, if one wants to enter politics he/she would have to meet the three essential “C” i.e “commitment”, “compassion” and, naturally, “charisma”. In fact, I have worked out THE three of EACH LETTER OF THE ALPHABET as mandatory virtues of a politician, from “A” to “Z” and one day maybe I shall expand on the idea.
      It is now obvious that Di Natale has lapsed for a tick and extrapolated “Compassion” to the detriment of Commitment, that is, of course, commitment to his Party dogma. Eventually, an entire alphabet of necessary redress has kicked in, alas the other option would have been being “kicked out” of that ethically monochromatic mob he formally leads. Mind you, I would not grant the same allowance to all Greens, specifically Senator Young, to whom compassion is only reserved for those acutely lacking it, the best way , by mine, to describe her beloved palestinians..

  2. Geoff, you were right to be sceptical. I tend to believe that what people say is the truth, but I should have known better of someone from the Greens.

    I agree that the whole party is contaminated with anti-Semitism – which makes it even more surprising that Jews like John Kaye are happy to represent them. His father was a judge, William Kaye, and was very supportive of Israel.

    Surely he wouldn’t have thought it wouldn’t get out to the wider community. I know for a fact that Muslims regularly read the Jewish News. I knew a Jewish guy who was too mean to buy the paper and he told me there was competition with a Muslim to get hold of the library copy first.

    At any rate, it will be interesting to see how he wriggles out of his dubplicitous views.

  3. Otto Waldmann

    From their nascent days, when brought out into the political world with the aid of ideological forceps, our Greens were sharing their rhetorical – strictly organic – pastures with the electoral sheep credulous and passionate enough to chain themselves to all kinds of heavy machinery, secular trees, chanting monosyllabic mantras while on a strict diet of grass (!!) and cheap grog.
    Since wilderness has been their …natural environment, the political will, as you will it, had, since their hey-days, relegated them to the respective political wilderness.
    Constantly searching now for substance to fit their gelatinous , unspecified form, considering that once being chained to trees has kept them too aloof from the urban electoral turmoils, they needed a cause which would allow them to climb, once again, the barricades of “fronde”, of wholesale denials of ANY established social values, as long as their pathological hysterical bone was fulminating into action. And what could be more attractive than , perhaps, the most despised mob to have emerged since the end of WWII, the “palestinian cause” !
    Gift wrapped with the most complex assortment of terror and desire to destroy anything humanity has achieved through tragic historical trials, the palestinian “struggles” for ANYTHING and by any means had fitted like a glove onto the barren Green fists of an almost wilted, politically spent force.
    Today’s Greens DO NOT need to make any sense, they are only accountable to their almost exhausted raison d’etre, existential purpose and , as they are chained to the hollow trunks of another lost cause. IT DOES NOT MATTER how contradictory they are, particularly to the increasingly cynical columns of the ones who once were naive enough to march with them, now happily retired reminiscing in-between glasses of Chards their glorious past .
    These days the Greens latch themselves to what has acquired the reputation of manic ideological impositions, in defiance of established civilised norms, once again the palestinian war call, one that has galvanised the worst forms of hatred and prejudice, wanton destruction and agents of usurping anything a decent world would aim for.
    Today’s Greens are no longer THE genuine Greens they once were, they are Fatah, Hamas, MB, BDS, Islamic intolerance marching with destructive impunity on our streets, chanting slogans in languages they haven’t got a clue about, ranting hysterically phrases without a head nor a tail. They have become the tail end of socio-political impotence of other, totally foreign, causes, riddled with absurdities and coated in arrogant self-destructive irrelevance.

    Meanwhile, just look and admire an Israel boasting the most impressive human achievements G-d Himself has bestowed upon the World !!!

  4. Otto, very well put. The Greens are indeed an irrelevant, self-destructive lot of narcissists.Their desperation to appear relevant sees them attach themselves to any totalitarian anti-democratic movement, and if there’s some extreme violence thrown in, that’s OK too.

  5. Mr Di Natale has upset me from day one, with one of his pronouncements that he “spoke for ALL Australians”! It had to do with something Australian political events at the time (I forget just what now) but his comments were so out of touch with reality, I was moved to email him to dress him down! I think it is a prerequisite for membership of the Greens that you have to make a fool of yourself and they keep proving it, over and over again! (Christine Milne, Blubberguts Hansen Young, Scott Ludlam and Adam Bandt have all made idiotic statements at one time or another and we can count on Blubberguts for a tearful in the Senate – must be due for one any time now! Sorry, I have no time for these people, who ignore the fact that the undergrowth they refuse to allow farmers to clear, is responsible for the fierce bushfires we deal with these days, not the mythical “global warming” and “climate change” drivel they are so fond of promoting.
    And yes, G-d has bestowed the Jews on this world for a reason, not just a season. Jews have won a total of 41% of all the Nobel Prizes – (economics) 28% (medicine) 26% (Physics) 19% (Chemistry) 13% (Literature) and 9% of all peace awards AND with only a paltry 2% or so of the world’s total population. But I guess all of you already knew that!

  6. Jan Poddebsky

    Just out of curiosity, does anyone have any statistics on membership of the Greens? Does it appeal mainly to women? Do they mostly live in Marrickville?

    • Greens live everywhere.
      I don’t know about this State Election as I didn’t help with the count even though I helped on a booth, but I do know they polled a quite high in the previous one in Bondi.

      The Marrickville/Newtown area has a high Green population count, as does Balmain, where Jamie Parker is the MP.

      Our very own enemy within were very concerned with a number of things he did during the Marrickville Council fiasco. They were really concerned he wouldn’t make it to State Parliament.