Trio questioned over ‘antisemitic’ attack & assault on 5 people in Bondi

This latest item is from the AUSTRALIAN..here:

His mother said

“When he’s at home he’s not racist but when they get together they like to pick on people – it only takes drinking,” –

They were charged with using unlawful violence against Constable Chun-Yuan Shieh and a number of others at Coogee beach on Saturday, September 7. They were also charged with affray for assaulting the officer in the execution of his duty.

The boy’s mother confirmed that her son has been in trouble before and said he hung out with a “gang” that often used her home to sleep.

“He’s been in a lot of trouble,” she said.

“What can I do? I’ve already told him not to drink but you can only do so much.

“I’m really, really upset. I’m worried about him because I haven’t seen him … He’s a loving boy. He’s like Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde.

“I spoke to him (Sunday) night, I said ‘boy you’re naughty’ and he said ‘yeah mum but it’s not my fault’.

“According to my son, he stops the fights.” The mother said her son, who is addicted to alcohol, only got out of juvenile detention last week.

“When he was 16 he was in there for a very long time … for robbery at a train station.”

– See more at: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/the-mother-of-the-boy-accused-of-racehate-attack-in-bondi-works-in-a-jewish-nursing-home/story-e6frg6n6-1226748562990#sthash.Z8dmpu66.dpuf%22

They were charged with using unlawful violence against Constable Chun-Yuan Shieh and a number of others at Coogee beach on Saturday, September 7. They were also charged with affray for assaulting the officer in the execution of his duty.

The boy’s mother confirmed that her son has been in trouble before and said he hung out with a “gang” that often used her home to sleep.

“He’s been in a lot of trouble,” she said.

“What can I do? I’ve already told him not to drink but you can only do so much.

“I’m really, really upset. I’m worried about him because I haven’t seen him … He’s a loving boy. He’s like Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde.

“I spoke to him (Sunday) night, I said ‘boy you’re naughty’ and he said ‘yeah mum but it’s not my fault’.

“According to my son, he stops the fights.” The mother said her son, who is addicted to alcohol, only got out of juvenile detention last week.

“When he was 16 he was in there for a very long time … for robbery at a train station.”

– See more at: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/the-mother-of-the-boy-accused-of-racehate-attack-in-bondi-works-in-a-jewish-nursing-home/story-e6frg6n6-1226748562990#sthash.Z8dmpu66.dpuf%22One of the men attacked was Shlomo ben-Haim, the Education Shaliach for the New South Wales Jewish National Fund. The woman was his wife.

A  Shaliach is an emissary.  Jewish National Fund. Here

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/five-people-hospitalised-after-brawl-in-bondi-20131026-2w80v.html

Sunday  5.12 pm.

Just heard on the News the 2 “CHILDREN”  faced court today but no mention of what happened and they were already on bail.

I think we need to change the age of so-called ‘children’. In this day and age 17 is not a child in my book.

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A police media update 10 minutes ago at 3.14pm

Two 17-year-old males were charged with affray and breach of bail. They were refused bail and will appear at children’s court tomorrow (Sunday 27 October 2013).

 A 23-year-old man was charged with affray. He was granted bail and will appear at Waverley Local Court on Tuesday 3 December 2013

Five people have ended up in hospital following a brawl in Sydney’s eastern suburbs.

Man attacked in Bondi

A GROUP of five people were violently attacked on the street in Sydney’s east early this morning in what witnesses have called a racially motivated attack.

Police said the group of four men, aged 66, 48, 39 and 27 and a 62-year-old woman were walking along Blair Street when they passed a group of eight males about 12.30am.

Bondi AssaultPolice said they were told told the males made derogatory comments towards the group and assaulted them with the melee continuing along Glenayr Avenue until the arrival of officers from the Eastern Suburbs Local Area Command.

The males attempted to flee but officers arrested two 16-year-old males and a 23-year-old man and are questioning them over the alleged anit-Semitic attack.

All five adults were injured suffering concussion, a fractured cheekbone, a possible broken nose, lacerations and bruising.

They were treated at the scene by Ambulance Paramedics and conveyed to St Vincents Hospital.

Adam, 18, who didn’t wish to give his surname, said the fight was unprovoked and the teens were yelling anti-Semitic slurs at the group.

Bondi Attack

“An old bloke who’s 68 has been bashed. The guys set upon them for no reason,” he said.

A security guard from the Beach Road Hotel intervened in the attack and said a taxi driver helped catch one of the youths.

“A taxi driver drove after the kids and grabbed one of them and held him until the police came,” he said.

Bondi Attack

Oshi from Rap N’ Roll was working in his shop when he heard the commotion outside.

“I was working in my shop and heard all this noise and a group of kids were punching this family right out the front so I shut the doors,” he said.

Police are continuing to investigate the incident and urge anyone with information to come forward or to call Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000 or use the Crime Stoppers online reporting page.

Information provided will be treated in the strictest of confidence. Police remind people they should not report crime information via our Facebook and Twitter pages.

NSW Jewish Board of Deputies president Yair Miller said while Australia was a peaceful country, there were some people motivated by hatred and racism.

“…which has no place in our society and the attack in Bondi is the worst incident of anti-semitic violence in Sydney for many years,” he said in a statement.

“We express our concern for the welfare of the family who were assaulted and are grateful to the NSW police for their swift and comprehensive response.”

Mr Miller said the brawl highlighted the need for “effective criminal law” against racial incitements as current legislation has proved unworkable.

The NSW Anti-Discrimination Board president Stepan Kerkyasharian confirmed the body would investigate the attack.

“There’s been severe racial vilification here, that’s a term under the legislation, and I think we should look at taking action,” he told Channel Seven.

Federal MP for Wentworth, which encompasses Bondi, Malcolm Turnbull said “we should have zero tolerance”.

“Violence of this kind and in particular racist violence, anti-semitic violence, is completely unacceptable in our society,” he told the Nine Network.

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64 comments

  1. Happy now, Lee Rhiannen and assorted Greens? Loewenstein? Bob Carr?

  2. Hmm, they look like Middle Eastern thugs to me. They are not Australians.

  3. I agree we can’t presume anything yet. However, the Jerusalem Post reported it and the video clip heading said the attackers were Muslim. http://www.jpost.com/International/Alleged-anti-Semitic-attack-in-Australia-leaves-5-injured-329789

    • Most certainly there has been no mention of race, religion or colour.

      All we know there were 7 attackers, 3 were caught.

      Two were 17 years old ‘children’ who are on bail and that’s why they were remanded over night. They are appearing this morning in the Children’s Court.

      I think it’s high time we had a re-think on the “AGE” of children.

      I doubt it was a Muslim attack. It’s out of character for Muslims. They wouldn’t even be in that area near the beach.

      It would be Caucasian louts

      • Susan Parsons

        I’m going with Methodists until we know more,lol!

      • After you rebuked a previous poster with this:

        “That Lesley is one big assumption and a racist comment. Please don’t presume.”

        You then go on to make a racist assumption yourself:

        “It would be Caucasian louts”

        • Hernandez if you are following a thread, please follow it properly it has been dealt with and shown that in no way is that a racist comment

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_race

          Caucasian race (also Caucasoid) is the general physical type of some or all of the populations of Europe, North Africa, the Horn of Africa, Western, Central and South Asia. Historically, the term was used for many people from these regions, without regard necessarily to skin tone

          Ergo Caucasian is not a race of peoples per se

  4. I couldn’t sleep last night, so in the early hours was watching ABC’s 24 hour news channel. They interviewed Jihad Dibs, principal of Punchbowl school, enthusing how he had turned the school around, so it was now a top school with a wfamily atmosphere. He told the interviewer what a wonderful multicultural city Sydney was and how safe. With the recent Bondi ‘brawl’ (surely a brawl is between two equally aggressive groups, not when one innocent group of people are set upon by a gang!) his remarks seemed a tad optimistic.

  5. We’re not assuming anything Pam. We’re making an educated guess based on the photos of the attackers and the reported anti-Jewish remarks. If either you or Shirlee think the attackers look like the average British descended Australian you’re kidding yourself or lying to yourself.

    “I doubt it was a Muslim attack. It’s out of character for Muslims.”

    Surely your joking Shirlee. They certainly don’t look like the typical British descended Australian.

    • pacificwaters you would be best advised to keep those racist thoughts to yourself. They are not wanted here.Any more like that will be deleted.
      Whilst we are open to discussion we will not tolerate racism.

      • – “Caucasian louts” is racist and insulting. An educated person should know this.
        – Describing the attackers appearance based on the available footage is reasonable.
        – Agree that the perpetrators religion is speculative.

      • Just a note – islam/muslim is not a race. It seems plausible that it is unlikely to have been a crime committed by Caucasian Australians. The associated Youtube news report is titled – “muslims attack…”. Given Muslims are told to hate Christians & Jews alike – please read any quran – it is also likely they were muslim attackers. There are name suppression orders on the 2 17 year olds, but the name of the 23 year old arrested has not yet been released. Once released – it may become clearer what “nationality” the perpetrators were.

        • I am fully aware of the fact that Islam is not a race.

          The video tape you speak of I have reported to Youtube as being taken from Sky News and re-named

  6. “Oshi from Rap N’ Roll was working in his shop when he heard the commotion outside.
    “I was working in my shop and heard all this noise and a group of kids were punching this family right out the front so I shut the doors,” he said.”

    No doubt he was afraid the noise would disturb his customers.
    Any decent citizen would have come to the aid of the victims.

  7. I just followed the video link. The headline there speaks of a “brawl”.SInce when is a vicious attack by a group of thugs upon a group of elderly people walking home from synagogue “a brawl”? No doubt when the victims are Jews. The word “brawl” implies that both sides were guilty. As a criminal prosecutor, I have used the term often enough WHEN THE EVIDENCE JUSTIFIED IT. It does not seem to in this case.

  8. I’ll clarify for you Shimona.

    Firstly I doubt that at 12.30am they were walking back from synagogue, as is being reported. They’d probably been at friends for shabbos dinner and were walking home. Likely they were Chabad as that’s a Chabad area.

    Five people, 4 men and one woman of varying ages were walking along the street. One man and the woman in their mid-60s.

    They were attacked by 8 males

    There was some fighting but it seems to be the bouncers from the pub and a few others including a taxi driver.

    There is CCTV footage from the pub

    This is a good link.
    http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/five-people-hospitalised-after-brawl-in-bondi-20131026-2w80v.html

    Apart from being charged with assault, they will likely face charges of racial vilification.

    I think it’s about time that 17 year old **children** were re-classified as adults.

    • Four men, 66, 48, 39, 27, and a 62-year-old woman were walking home from dinner

    • “I think it’s about time that 17 year old **children** were re-classified as adults.”

      Indeed, yes! This is rather like the way “Palestinian” rock-throwing youths of 17 are described as “children”, by the left-wing media, while murdered Jewish children at a yeshiva, although they may have been as young as 12 or 13, are promoted to the status of “youths” or merely described as “students” (leaving you to assume they are 18 or over). That’s if they’re not merely described as “settlers”.

    • I learn from this link, Susan, that “Two 17-year-old boys were charged with affray and breach of bail.”
      So – this isn’t the first time these thugs have run foul of the law.

    • Susan, yes, it’s on quite a few sites, all of which seem to describe the mob as Muslim. None describe them as Caucasian. Of course we don’t know yet, but its certainly not racist to say they are Muslims, as Islam is not a race.

  9. 1. Muslim and “caucasian” are not exclusive. One is religion the other one a very loose antropological description, usually meaning “white” as against “black” or “Asian”.
    2. If it were a “brawl” then Police would have taken in at least for questioning, not to mention arrest, any of the Jewish group who WERE attacked.

    I have been living in the Bondi area for some forty years and have witnessed plenty antisemitic manifestations

    • Otto, quite right. We have to keep repeating that Islam is not a race, as the media constantly conflate the two. The description caucasian, on the other hand, does as you say, refer to white people. Therefore, if you make a remark attacking caucasians, it is presumably as racist as a remark attacking black people. Racism isn’t just a feature of white societies.

      • Pam you are right, but right here we must be even more careful how we inflate the issue.
        “Caucasian” means “white” which in comparative antropology means a distinct “race”.
        Yet, Jews could be Caucasian or NON-caucasian, as we have the wonderful Jews from Ethiopia, for example. So how “racist” is it to attack Jews if, in conventional terms, they are not just ONE race . If and when other semitic groups, say among the Hashemites, right next door, attack Jews, are they antisemitic.

        Terminologies DO conflate in pedestrian vernacular and if we want to be surgically precise, I think that you and I and the rest of us would have to work out terms which are perfectly fitting.
        One other thing. I bet you that the animals who attacked the Jews in Bondi Beach have no idea what “antisemitism” is, but they sure hate Jews.

  10. Police will, most definitely, brief the Jewish Communal Security and it, in turn, must advise the Jewish community all relevant details. It is NOT sub judice to “disclose” details of the assailants. For the “minors”, under 18, names may be suppressed, but other details, if members of a certain religioius/ethic group, is allowed to be declared as well as the rough (!!!)area of their residence, i.e. Eastern Subburbs, St.George , Mosman etc.Also what other pending charges the two hooligans are on bail for. All this stuff is absolutely allowed. As about the 23 year old, it goes without saying. Police know his name and all other details and we demand to know as well. It is our right !!!!
    As it is amply evident here ( not to mention the imediate reaction in the world media ) this is an incident that concerns very seriously ordinary Jews. It is not for the “confidential” consumption of those communal leaders who know-it-all.
    Also, one hopes that the courts will deal with the case very seriously. The world is watching, we are watching here.
    One also hopes that the Police investigations will find the rest ( five) of the gang.

  11. Well, I doubt if The Age will report the details. I looked this morning and there was still no mention of the Bondi attack, unless it was such a small column that I missed it.

  12. This is Australia, not The Middle East.
    Muslims and the millions of others worldwide, including Jews who feel resentment toward Israel over the treatment of Palestinians in the Middle East, should go there, not here to voice or act on their resentment, as many have.
    Isolated situations like the brawl which occurred in Bondi, detracts from the principles of the majority of Muslims, who practice peace and harmony towards all religions.
    To all those on here and other forums who proclaim Islam as a religion of hate and violence towards all others, it only confirms your own ignorance and stupidity as part of a minority worldwide that fuels opinions that are negative towards the Jewish faith.

    • Onya Evan, Mr. James, habbibi ! Spoken like a TRUE believer.

    • Only one person on this site, that I have seen, has made derogatory remarks towards Muslims. I chastised that person for doing so.

      I think any apology from you is in order.

    • BTW MR JAMES FYI

      What occurred in Bondi was not a BRAWL

      This was an ATTACK or ASSAULT on five innocent people walking the street

    • Evan – what the hell has a vicious antisemitic attack on Australian Jews got to do with “voicing one’s resentment over the treatment of Palestinians in the Middle East”?
      And what “brawl” are you speaking of? This was an attack by young thugs on elderly Jews. Or are you claiming that the victims were equally guilty?
      As for “the majority of Muslims, who practice peace and harmony towards all religions” – the “peace and harmony” is only as long as the adherents of those other religions accept their status as dhimmis. A religion which was spread by the power of the sword, as Islam was, is hardly a religion of peace.

  13. Otto, you need to get your facts right.
    Jews are classified as a RACE and always have been.
    More so today with the work being done by scientists worldwide which proves it. I have much of the scientific data. That is how come they know that the Ethiopian Jews are Jews
    “Extensive DNA testing has found the Bene Israelis, clustered in and around the western city of Bombay, are direct descendants of a hereditary Israelite priesthood that can be traced back 3,000 years to Moses’ brother, Aaron.”
    In the case of Levities and Cohens they are traceable as such.

    It is also proven by the fact we have the highest rate of genetic diseases worldwide. Tay-Sachs being one which few other than Jews inherit
    Yes Otto if “Hashemites, right next door, attack Jews, are they antisemitic.” They are.
    The term ‘antisemitism’ was coined by Wilhelm Marr in Germany in 1879, in a pamphlet entitled ‘The Victory of Judaism Over Germanism’.

    Marr introduced the term antisemitism as a scientific approach to the subject, and a positive alternative to the more confronting expression, ‘Jew-hatred’.

    Antisemitism is not hostility towards ‘Semites’ (ethnic and cultural groups associated by their common language features such as speakers of Arabic, Aramaic, or Hebrew). It is the term used specifically to describe hatred against Jews.

    The European Monitoring Centre on Racism and Xenophobia (EUMC) adopted a working definition of antisemitism, developed by a small number of NGOs, which provides a useful starting point for dealing with antisemitism:

    Antisemitism is a certain perception of Jews, which may be expressed as hatred toward Jews. Rhetorical and physical manifestations of antisemitism are directed toward Jewish or non-Jewish individuals and/or their property, toward Jewish community institutions and religious facilities.

    Beyond this, antisemitism is involved when Israel, conceived as a Jewish entity, is singled out from the world’s nations.

    Please DON’T call those thugs who attacked innocent people**ANIMALS**
    Animals don’t hurt people for pleasure

    • Dear Shirley,
      If Judaism is a race, then if you go back to Adam and Eve, then so so is Christianity.
      Copying and pasting selective information from internet searches will support your argument but you need to also include the alternative theories which are also provided in abundance.
      As you know, leading scientists are often referred to in advertising by organisations seeking credibility for their products and we all know how reliable this is.

      • I beg your pardon? I have not “Copied or pasted selective information from internet searches” I have been involved in the research and have untold amounts of research material.

        As stated below, if you had bothered to read it

        More so today with the work being done by scientists worldwide which proves it. I have much of the scientific data. That is how come they know that the Ethiopian Jews are Jews
        “Extensive DNA testing has found the Bene Israelis, clustered in and around the western city of Bombay, are direct descendants of a hereditary Israelite priesthood that can be traced back 3,000 years to Moses’ brother, Aaron.”
        In the case of Levities and Cohens they are traceable as such.

        It is also proven by the fact we have the highest rate of genetic diseases worldwide. Tay-Sachs being one which few other than Jews inherit I made a mistake there, I should have stated one of the mutations of Tay-Sachs disease.

    • Shirlee , you are absolutely right about the commonality with the Ethiopian and Manashe Jews. I accentuated that. My fear is that , as the anti Jewish – commonly accepted as antisemitic – onslaught shall continue, the dismissal of “antisemitism”, as an indictment uopn the pro-palestininan PR tactics, will go as far as the claim I postulated earlier. They will come out saying that they are not antisemitic because they are semites themselves. Some have already used this rgument.
      My comments were strictly related to the use of the wider term “caucasian and the taditional comparative antropological use of the term “race”.

  14. “FYI. Caucasian isn’t a race. Therefore [the term Caucasian louts is] not racist.”

    Not a race? It most clearly is, except on planet Admin! But that alone does not make the term “Caucasian lout” any more racist than “Jewish swindler”. Sometimes I think the term racism is very overdone, dare I say it – politicised?

    At least in this case Jews are in the same boat as the Caucasian majority – when the offender belongs to a minority, especially a middle eastern Muslim, the ethnicity of the alleged offenders is censored out of the MSM.

    Anytime a Caucasian offends against a minority – look out, it’s viral!

    In fact, it’s really quite amusing that nobody here deduced the offender wasn’t whitey – pretty obvious it’s not when the identity is suppressed. Welcome to the new racism!

    • A. Moreton the arguments are totally false.

      The term “Caucasian” is used conventionally mostly in police forensic vernacular and NOT in anthropological science .In my studies of anthropology at University in a non English speaking culture, one dominated by German and French terminology ( it also took account of Leakey’s work !) the notion “Caucasian” did not exist. It comprises, however, in the forensic circles mentioned, JEWS AS WELL.

      The use of the term “Caucasian” here was incorrect for the ideas intended. So, you are perpetuating a fallacy. The writer obviously wished to emphasise that the assailants were NOT Jewish/Semites, hence it was an antisemitic attack.

      We can assume this because there are reports that the assailants referred to the people they attacked specifically as Jews, making the Jewish quality the principal object of their attack. In this case an antisemitic attack is OBVIOUSLY a racist attack.

      This is also to say that, within the same conventional “Caucasian” group, Jews are a distinct sub-group, acceptable as a distinct race. To clarify further, “Caucasian” pertains to types distinct from the melanodermic (black) type and the Mongolian type.

      The only one politicising the event is you. Otherwise it is a matter of ethics, of abhorrent behaviour motivated by racist prejudice.

      • @Otto – What about the writer of the term “Caucasian lout”? What is there left to the imagination with that term?

        There are multiple accepted definitions of Caucasian and one of them is “white”. Yes, it is in the dictionary. And yes, Blumenthalesque taxonomy based on craniofacial anthropometry and density of epidermal melanin does classify Semites as a subset of the Caucasoid group, however the definition of Caucasian as “white” is equally recognised by major dictionaries (eg Oxford – “a white person, a person of European origin”

        The definitions interestingly contradict each other in a parallel to the semantic contradiction in the term antisemitism, which most people would understand the term as specific to Jews, not extended to gentile Semites, although the term itself implies it.

        But you are right, the assailants were not Jews, and as it turns out, several have been identified as Pacific Islander, including at least one alleged to have some gang contact.

        It is a cowardly attack in anyone’s book. However, I think David Faktor is right. when he said these “disaffected youths would have victimized any minority” had they encountered them. I’d add anyone who countered their taunts, including those in the ethnic majority.

        And allegedly, their taunts were indeed countered.

        Perhaps they were looking for a fight. It sounds more opportunistic than premeditated & occurred outside a tavern. Alcohol was also involved in the attack. Why a group of Islanders would have a beef with a group of Jews beats me.

        None of this diminishes the assault, which is a nasty one.

        I disagree with Yair Miller’s call for upgraded racial vilification laws – this is the ONLY incident of its kind against Jews in 25 years, according to Jeremy Jones. It will be punished and the publicity and sentence should suffice as deterrents, at least for the adults.

      • oops Blumenbach. Too much Heston 🙂

  15. I understand. He isn’t a racist – except when he’s a racist.

  16. Adam Moreton

    …..for someone who reckoned that Adam and Eve were born in the Caucasus, hence his passion for the Caucasian( white ) race, you can keep Blumenbach.
    We studied REAL science !!

    • @Otto, The cave in Hebron is explainable by tectonic plate movements. I’m pretty sure the fig leaves are now fossils in the Caucasus, next to their footprints, which we will find one day.

      • Adam,
        I have been many times to Georgia and I can assure you that IT was no joking matter !
        Incidentally, can you still claim respectable presence by twisting common-sense to the extent of stating that the “taunts were indeed countered” !!! How would you have prefered the encounter to unfold, no self defence , Jews beaten to a pulp without a reaction ?!!

        Here your attempt at lightening you presence with fig leaf jokes is badly, irreversibly compromised. You burnt your bridges.

  17. Adam Moreton

    More to the larger comments, hence a richer list or erratic musings.
    let’s go back a bit to Blumenbach. His views, stated sometime in the mid 19th century, were as fanciful as they have been discarded long before I started studying anthropology. Here you are well within the comforts of one fallacy, the famous “etymological fallacy” and I shall spell it for you: you reason that the original meaning of a word is necessarily similar to its present-day meaning.

    Then you delve into the erratic non sequitur etymology of “antisemitism”, something already clarified here by Shirlee in respect of its specific meaning. I would accept that your extended lack of knowledge would prevent you to accessing the ACTUAL meaning of the expression.

    Your “assumption” , based once again on intentional omission of known facts, that the assailants were “looking for a fight” regardless of their target, when proven reports have specified antisemitic ( of strictly Jewish nature ) verbal abuses were made PRIOR to the physical attacks on specific Jewish targets – identified as such correctly by the assailants who must have known what Jews look like, wearing those things on their heads – proves that you are not at all a reliable party to a decent exchange of views.

    Incidentally, David Faktor did specify a few times that the attacks were of clear antisemitic nature.

    • Of course Blumenbach is fanciful. He’s got a lot of company too! Like Shirlee, for example with her “It would be Caucasian louts”. If that’s not racism, then I don’t know what is.

      As for antisemitism, it is even more fanciful, yes, actually acrobatic, to define it in terms of criticism of Israel, as Shirlee does. Criticism of a nation state is not synonymous with racial vilification.

      As for specific comments, afaik the offenders said “f…ing Jews”. What other antisemitic comments did they utter? And how is that “intentional omission”, Otto? That I somehow left out the vital kippah? I’m not these chumps’ lawyer. Give it a rest.

      • Badly conceived reply.
        Not only you neglect your own comments a few lines above, but hinge your line of absurdities on careless references. The verbal abuse, which you agree to, was followed imediately by unprovocked vicious violence. The bastards “flagged” the reason of their attack upon a specific target, i.e. Jews. What did you want a whole bloody Goebels speech?!!
        The violent attack was the most clear expression of specific targeting of Jews.

        Adam, you are not a party that I consider any longer worthy of having discussions with. You do not make sense, but a lot of hollow noise, bereft of any rationale and full of venomous prejudice.

      • Otto, the MSM clearly state that the taunts were countered. That’s not twisting, that’s straight talking. The MSM states that victims stood up, in some way not clarified, verbally, to the taunts. Truth will out anyway. For whatever reason you have adopted, you come across as pretty harsh.

        Fights like this happen to people all over this country all the time. It seems you can’t think outside of Jewishness about this.

  18. It’s an unsettling way to end, especially given any absence of further fact, in its place a direct accusation of prejudice, without merit mate, but thanks for the discussion and ***shalom***

    • Otto can well and truly counter any arguments on most subjects, so you have been allowed to carry on with your covert prejudice.

      Antisemitism is a complete other form of racial vilification, which we as a people have endured down through the centuries, being perceived as evil beings. No more pal

      Ultra Orthodox Jews are well known for their pacificity and wouldn’t have a clue about retaliating. I can cite video after video of Chassidic Jews being attacked and taunted in Jerusalem by Arab louts and rather than return aggression carry on walking.

      Take your antisemitism, as shown in your last line above, elsewhere. We are open to decent discussion but not that.

  19. Racism is racism. I don’t think criticism of Israel is racism, Admin. I don’t think I’m alone there. Nor am I alone to consider Caucasian as a race. Its the first reference on Google 🙂 . But I alone here, it seems, to consider that “It would be Caucasian louts” is racism, and that says it all. But thanks for allowing me some airplay anyway.

    Fights like this one do happen to other people regularly. And it isn’t snowballs!

  20. How is spitting on a Christian any different, btw? (That’ll be interesting)

    • Moreton

      In “Caucasian louts” the noun “lout” does not refer to all Caucasians but only to those who behave as such. It has been established that Jews are also Caucasian, as per the meaning of the term. anyway, and this is further evidence that the term “caucasian louts” is not a racist one.
      As it happens some of the known assailants were of Pacific Island origin, hence non Caucasian.
      In respect to this they were Pacific Island louts, simply because there is such a thing as Pacifis islanders and also, unfortunately, there is also such a term as “louts” and those Pacific Islanders who behave like the animals in Bondi Beach were louts and that was an euphemism.
      So, you persist in being irrational, although it is obvious that you wish to make the impression of a decent and well seasoned “intellectual” , something you failed to convince here quite miserably ( on both acounts ).
      Wont even bother with the other remark re the “spitting”. You do not deserve the attention any further !!!

  21. Pacific Islanders are very naive and ignorant bunch but friendly giants nonetheless. My guess is that anti-israel news reports and a little too much alcohol was the impetus for the attack. It really could have been anyone, imo, who was attacked that night.

  22. Why did you delete my two other comments?